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  • #918
    Anonymous

    I am currently fine with how much we have expanded the map but have noticed we are lacking most of teh new 1.7 biomes like the ice spikes made of packed ice or the roofed forest and several others…. I would recommend expanding the bourder a couple thousand blocks maby?

    Its fine with me if we don’t but i was just throwing the idea (plucks though from head adn throws it at screen.) that this may be a good idea….

    #1212
    Anonymous

    I know what ya mean brother. I’ve a suggestion that no one’s going to want to hear, but it’ll fix a lot of those issues…

    World Reset.

    I know, I know… “Chaos! NO WAY! I’ve put too much work into my *insert random project here* just to delete it”. We can work around that with world edit. All we’d have to do is copy the whatever and place it in a new world.

    Now this is just my opinion. Doesn’t mean everyone has to agree, they likely won’t. But, here’s why I think it’d be a good idea. For one, we could start over fresh with established ground rules for the players to follow. This would fix the issue of people trying to run to the Far Lands or the world edge, unloading all the chunks needed for expansions. Also, with doing so we could pick a seed that showcases every single biome. Starting from scratch would also make it to where we could build an organized spawn with a proper symmetrical road system and plots of land for building (as we started to do on the vanilla). Additionally, any structures that are currently an eyesore from previous players will be gone.

    This may seem extreme but you have to hear me out… If the server is going to continue to try to run up to date with the new updates, a reset will be inevitable one day. It will have to be done. Rumor has it (just a rumor) that the 1.8 update will be a structure update adding new buildings to the 1.7 biomes. No clue what they’ll be yet, but I’m pretty sure that would mean every new biome that we just brought in will have to be unloaded, again, so that way the game can generate the Mesa Indian Reservation or whatever. That means, if you’ve built there, you’re stuff’s gotta get moved again. Even if 1.8 doesn’t update structures (I’ve heard it will be a mob update as well) there will eventually be another update down the road adding new biomes again. Resetting will have to happen eventually no matter what. What happens when there are no more diamonds? Unlikely this will happen, but still, a shortage is completely possible. Some freak might strip mine the entire server and there’s really no rule saying he can’t. Some times, it’s just best to start from scratch.

    I know that by doing this, some players will leave the server, possibly for good. Then again, other players might actually return. I wouldn’t even worry about that being an issue. Personally, I’d rather have quality players than a large quantity of players any day of the week. I care very little for playing on a server with 200 active members. I’d personally prefer a 20 member server full of dedicated pro-level players that specialize in MineCraft baddassary. Is Badassary even a word? It is now… Moving on. What I’m getting at is that bigger is not always better. If a reset will scare away players, then they probably aren’t the type of people that benefit the community in the first place. KimmiBapple built her base, didn’t like it, tore it down, and rebuilt it in 2 days, then did it again! That dude… Camal, Camalae… I can’t spell his name, kick ass guy though, super awesome to play with, did the same thing. Tore down his base, moved, and when he invited me over, I was literally standing in Etho’s Lab, literally. Bane is a work horse as well and works his butt off. My homie Fade is one of the nicest people I’ve ever played with and goes out of his way to help others constantly. Solar takes on massive projects that would terrify most players and excels at what she does, no one else is even close, not even me. I’m starting to think redstone actually pumps through Cynix’s veins instead of blood at this point. Scotty (although he left) was generous, helpful, kind and always helped out, as well as being a great builder. Keen puts in time and great work.

    I’d trade 500 players to have that crew on my team. So if people run from the idea of a reset, the one’s that matter have proven they’re willing to buckle down and tear out some excellence.

    MindCrack’s success isn’t the fact that it’s a large server. It works because less than 30 people have agreed to work together and make something amazing. They plan ahead, they keep in touch via skype and emails. They know what needs to be done to benefit everyone on the server, so when they said, “No one go past 6000 blocks from spawn so we can update the server later,” no one did. Without the aid of an invisible border or world edit or even a giant wall, they followed the rules, and the update went without a hitch. No need of a reset…

    Smores started out as a 1.5 release and almost immediately had to update to 1.6. Now to 1.7, within 4 months (maybe) 1.8, within the next year 1.9. You see where I’m going with this? We play a game that constantly evolves itself, which I personally love. But with evolution, old things need to die so better things can be born.

    *drops 2 cents in a Water bucket*

    ~TCS

    #1213
    Anonymous

    Oh yeah, Fade, what’s your email address?

    #1214
    Anonymous

    Wow just Wow I love reading your informative Rants.

    The Following is cops oh Chaos rant and my comments.

    “I know what ya mean brother. I’ve a suggestion that no one’s going to want to hear, but it’ll fix a lot of those issues…

    World Reset.”

    Me: Just as I am Building something? lol Its fine with me and personally I am ok with this idea even though I am well set up on this server I am willing to vote yes for World Reset. Better Now before something big happens.

    “This may seem extreme but you have to hear me out… If the server is going to continue to try to run up to date with the new updates, a reset will be inevitable one day. It will have to be done. Rumor has it (just a rumor) that the 1.8 update will be a structure update adding new buildings to the 1.7 biomes. No clue what they’ll be yet, but I’m pretty sure that would mean every new biome that we just brought in will have to be unloaded, again, so that way the game can generate the Mesa Indian Reservation or whatever. That means, if you’ve built there, you’re stuff’s gotta get moved again. Even if 1.8 doesn’t update structures (I’ve heard it will be a mob update as well) there will eventually be another update down the road adding new biomes again. Resetting will have to happen eventually no matter what. What happens when there are no more diamonds? Unlikely this will happen, but still, a shortage is completely possible. Some freak might strip mine the entire server and there’s really no rule saying he can’t. Some times, it’s just best to start from scratch.”

    Me: Again I have to agree we have how many thousands of blocks and chunks loaded? Plus the update has messed up the land formation between 1.6 to 1.7 and to make ti look nice would mean hours of work. This also means people will have to walk (run skip fly portal and etc.) even further to get to the new places. I hate to say that many of Solars amazing builds would be gone if we reset and all the work put into spawn. But finally Its inevitable we will have to reset eventually and like chaos said Better now then later, also when chaos goes on a rant it always has a great if not best point.

    I know that by doing this, some players will leave the server, possibly for good. Then again, other players might actually return. I wouldn’t even worry about that being an issue. Personally, I’d rather have quality players than a large quantity of players any day of the week. I care very little for playing on a server with 200 active members. I’d personally prefer a 20 member server full of dedicated pro-level players that specialize in MineCraft baddassary.

    Me: Unfortunately this very may well happen to players. Now this is where I feel torn I love how many new players are joining and a lot are great builders but I have to agree with Chaos, I would personally like to have a small select group of people on this server so we would be able to Skype and etc like the mindcrackers have done. Yes this would mean only about 20 or so people would be on this server and the rest…. ya.
    The negative about this is that new players wouldn’t be able to join and etc and some current players would be kicked. But listen! This would mean the community would grow really close and a majority of plugins installed wouldn’t be needed like grief protection( or whatever its called). This would aslo mean we can talk to each other easier. Heres a solution to the players that would be kicked, We open another server for which they can join. This would allow us to test players to see if they can be added to the other one( if you know what i mean)
    Again I want to stress that i love how many players join and we can talk to and how much I want them to stay. Going back to people now being able to play on the one where only selected players would be, I know that Cyn gets money from donators and other things and if we did do this it would limit that but if that second server is open he would still be able to. (sorry if this all didnt make any sense)

    “I’d trade 500 players to have that crew on my team. So if people run from the idea of a reset, the one’s that matter have proven they’re willing to buckle down and tear out some excellence.”

    Me: This backs up what i Just said. ^

    “MindCrack’s success isn’t the fact that it’s a large server. It works because less than 30 people have agreed to work together and make something amazing. They plan ahead, they keep in touch via Skype and emails. They know what needs to be done to benefit everyone on the server, so when they said, “No one go past 6000 blocks from spawn so we can update the server later,” no one did. Without the aid of an invisible border or world edit or even a giant wall, they followed the rules, and the update went without a hitch. No need of a reset…”

    Me: Further backs up what I said and I like this idea of selected few but I also don’t want to cut anyone out.

    Thanks again for reading this (or being able to) and I hope you agree with me about this and I also hope that Cyn agrees with the two servers idea.

    #1215
    Anonymous

    Chaos here my email. jamesduppong@gmail.com

    #1217
    Anonymous

    also if you want my Skype just ask.

    #1219

    I’m not so keen on the World Reset idea. Let me explain why.

    Firstly, one of my goals whilst spending the hours I’ve spent on my build was to integrate it within its landscape. I deliberately chose its location based on the interesting variety of terrain in the vicinity, and it wasn’t by accident that I decided to build on the intersection of three different biomes. As such, it isn’t something that can be simply lifted and placed on a new map. In fact, that’s part of the point of the build.

    Secondly, if we did go for a World Reset, I’m not sure I would be willing to invest my energies in the same way in the future. I realise that everything built on a Minecraft server is ephermal, but the danger of a World Reset is that it will open the door for further resets, undermining the future of any further builds.

    Now, I understand the desire to access the new biomes. Are there no other alternatives that should be considered before giving thought to the most drastic course of action? There’s a giant mass of snow biome in the West that it is barely explored. Is there a way of pasting in the missing biomes into there, perhaps with World Edit? Cyn has talked about using World Edit to fix some of the current map’s inelegant artefacts left over from the update.

    It’s also worth noting that 1.7 was a major biome update. We’re unlikely to see anything changes to the world as earth shattering (ho ho!) as these for some time.

    I do sympathise with a lot of what Chaos has said. Spawn would probably benefit from the changes he describes, and could be reset (or moved!) without having to reset the entire world. I’m afraid that at the moment spawn is a bit of a mess and is hardly ever used. It’d be great to have a compact, planned spawn with plots of land set aside for building and renting, and one that offers new players the help they need along with a sense of direction when they first join the server.

    #1220
    cYnIx
    Keymaster

    Fade, I recently checked and mathematically only 50% of the world has been explored. We do have a roofed forest and as for the iced features that you think were missing may be in the unexplored areas that Gruff mentioned.

    Joco asked for a border expansion at 25% of the maps exploration. Turns out the biome he was looking for was just barely outside the previous worlds generation boundary.

    I have been playing with the idea of a World Reset but I was thinking of it for different reasons. When I first started playing I thought I wanted a group that would never reset. Somewhere we could keep our builds forever. Since then I have noticed that players generally like a world reset over time. There are a lot of benefits to starting with a new world. To name a few everyone has a new shot at being the richest, new world attract lots of new players, there is no bad looks in terrain generation between versions, and we can rebuild spawn. A lot of players fear the other view of a new world being generated. They lose their builds, inventories, rankings, and stats.
    Is there a right answer to this question? No. However there are ways to approach a reset and minimize some of these problems. Possibly moving over the contents of every players Ender Chest or copying and pasting players entire builds and chests with World Edit.

    About rebuilding spawn. I think thats possible within our current world. Lets just choose a new location that we like (preferably on the PVE side of the PVP line) and then start laying out a new spawn. Once built I can move the spawn location to the new spawn build. Nether system would probably need a new hub built and then tunneling to the new location. This is just an idea for discussion.

    On to the subject about two servers. So we can do something like that, here’s the problem. All our “trusted” users go to the new world to build all their cool stuff. Someone new joins the regular public server and sees that no one from the group is on to talk to or get help from because everyone is in the trusted server with the same rules. The world already contains more than 1.5 million surface meters. People have a very easy time going into groups and building. In fact we already have small cliches that use skype to talk even though we have a teamspeak server that keeps user information more anonymous than skype does.

    About donations. I am not getting any monetary gain from this group. Trust me when I say I have a lot more outgoing expenses than I am getting from sponsors. That’s okay with me though because I did not start this group to make money (you can tell because I didn’t have any sponsor system for the first 4 months). Any money that does come in from sponsors goes directly to improving the community.

    Gruffster is right on about his first and second points into the problem with copying from one world to the new. And honestly I don’t think that copying everyone’s residence (or even everyone active) is a project I could ever accomplish in a timely manner.

    I kinda like the thought of having everyone trying to build a new spawn. Who wants to take lead on this and start a thread on the subject?

    #1221
    Anonymous

    I agree with you on what you are saying. I was just suggesting these in case someone wanted to expand off what i said much like you have. I am good with whatever we do I was just throwing this out there.

    #1228
    Anonymous

    I was not for a world expansion I think personally because i’m so new to this server, and for me it just seemed like so soon already, but personally I think overall a world reset may be the best option, I do agree, that the reason mindcrack works so well is because of how dedicated the people are on the server. when I found this server I was looking for a mindcrack like server (actually what I typed into google) XD. But overall I think that resetting would be best, that way we can have most of the new areas right away, and then we reset an area like this last time, for the new updates, so the server doesn’t lag out. But also spending over 3 IRL days on getting good enchants and all the gear I have acquired, I would like to maybe keep an enderchest to take over XD. just my 2 cents.

    #1231
    Kae

    I’m in favor of a world reset, with a build or two being copied over. The only thing I’d copy would be my storage room. I’d love the opportunity to create something new in a clean, fresh world.

    As I travel the world, the divisions between biomes are not seamless anymore. There are places where one biome is up to 15 blocks higher than the other… effectively walling it off from the other side. It’s a pain and its an eyesore. Spawn is a mishmash of this and that. I’ve lived through world resets before. Huge builds that I’ve made that get deleted. All in all its an opportunity. New biomes. New areas to explore. New places to build.

    #1234

    But which biomes are we actually missing?

    Isn’t that a Roofed Forest above Kae’s place? There’s a Flower Forest to the west of that. We even have a Bryce Mesa (the Monument Valley type). There seems to be a Mega Taiga in the North West, above the large Jungle.

    I haven’t spotted a Sunflower Plain or Birch Forest, but they wouldn’t be that obvious and I’ve probably missed them. I can’t see an Ice Plains Spikes or a Mushroom Islands, but it seems to me that it would be very difficult to find a seed for a world the size of ours that wouldn’t have a couple of biomes missing.

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