January 18, 2014 at 10:06 pm #1657
Well here it comes, A new Minecraft update that has world changes. A list of changes can be found here http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/1.8.
With this new update comes world changes that require a map expansion, or regeneration for us to make use of the new blocks.
So now its time for the group to discuss and vote on what should be the fate of this 1.5 through 1.7 world. Is it finally time to start the world from scratch? Please talk about it here and make your vote on the poll to the right.
Just a couple notes:
If we do go with a newly generated world, the current one will be saved but not accessible. Members will be able to request a copy of their builds for personal storage. Each person who requests would receive each of their requested builds copied and pasted into a new flat world. (Depending on the number of requests received it may take some time to deliver the copied builds.)
Also after thinking about it we will not be adopting the practice of copying builds, chests, or inventories from the old world to the new. So a new world generation would be a complete and total restart.January 19, 2014 at 9:30 am #1660
Wow. so much for gold and iron farming.
A reset would be awesome. I know a lot of people have worked hard on their builds, including myself. This will give us a chance to redo spawn, and make it beautiful and organizes, as well as starting all kinds of new project ideas. I’m excited about the new builds.January 19, 2014 at 10:37 am #1664FerdinandParticipant
Im up for 1.8 to, i voted no but…
Only if i am able to keep my town.
I like to see a new world and a new spawn to, but its so hard to loose ”all” of your work. I am sponsor already, if i knew this, i wish i had joined the server at the begining of 1.8 and become sponsor right than.January 19, 2014 at 10:50 am #1666
So after having a live discussion in the game here are some updates.
If we do a world regeneration we WOULD allow members to copy their builds over to the new server with some stipulations. Sponsors will get 1 free copy $5 for additional copies. Non sponsors would pay $10 per build copied.
Only builds will be copied. Any copied chests will be empty. No money, items, or personal inventory will come to the new world. And potentially any blocks that tools could be made from would not be copied (ex: Diamond, Iron, Gold or Coal blocks.)January 19, 2014 at 10:58 am #1670
I’m fine with a world reset, provided the provisions outlined by Cyn above are in place. 😀January 23, 2014 at 3:35 am #1729Anonymous
YES, of course the world should be reset. It should have been reset months ago when 1.7.2 came out. I’ve said this multiple times until I’m blue in the face. Minecraft has an amazing set of game developers that strive to make this game evolve, constantly. That’s why there is such a high repeat value to playing. It’s a sandbox game that allows you to do whatever you want, without being confined to typical game mechanics. IF you want to be a hunter, builder, explorer, whatever, you can. Since BananaSmores went live the game has been updated going on 3 times. New biomes have been generated, new blocks have been (and will again soon be) added. Resetting a server, not just this one, is crucial to the evolution of the game. EVERY server eventually gets reset in some fashion. It’s been a long time coming. It makes no sense why it hasn’t been done before now. It baffles me frankly.
To read people complain, “I spent too much time building this,” or, “I don’t want to lose my stuff,” flat out enrages me. You’re being fucking lazy. I spent my first week on the server living in a fucking hole where the arena is. I didn’t have a damn base. I worked hard and accomplished more in a few hours than some of you have since you’ve been on the server, without diamond anything, without a farm, without a roof over my head. I invested countless hours on this server and happily welcome a world reset and to start from scratch. Why? Because I’m a good player… fuck that, I’m a great player. Better than most. That was cocky, but no less true.
This server is fucking easy to play on. It’s a bukkit server, not a vanilla server. You might as well change the difficulty from Hard to Peaceful. You can teleport wherever you want to go, so there’s no danger in traveling. You can turn it day time whenever you want and control the weather, so there’s hardly any fear of being attacked. If you don’t feel like mining out an area to build on, the admin will delete the land for you for crying out loud AND save you the blocks. How easy do you fucking want it??? Should I come to your house and click the damn mouse for you too? Claiming that the server doesn’t allow spawning of blocks isn’t even entirely true if you can get the admin to world edit land away and give you the blocks. You don’t even have to spend the time with a pick in your hand to get stone to build with! It can’t get any easier. Seriously! The only thing you have to do is stack the blocks. Stop acting like babies because you’re going to have to invest time in building something over again. So what? You have to build shit, that’s the fucking premise of the game! It’s supposed to be a challenge. It’s not called “happy easy fun time”, it’s called survival. You’re supposed to do your best with what you have and survive. Personally, I feel if you’re too lazy to rebuild something, find a creative server to play on. All these mods… how can you seriously sit there and tell me it’s too hard? Lie to my face and tell me that. Hell, donators can even fucking fly in god mode now!
How are we even holding a discussion on charging people for world edit commands like cut and paste? No. No, you shouldn’t be allowed to paste your old build on the new world. It’s a new world, build something new. It’s not fair to the rest of the people on the server. Additionally, no, you shouldn’t charge people for it either. 5-10 bucks for 60 seconds of editing??? No, you shouldn’t be allowed to bring your old gear from your old world to a new world. What the fuck people? I’ve never heard Etho one fucking time ask Guude if he can give him 5 bucks to put his single player base on MindCrack. Not once has BDubs asked for the server to be world edited. I never heard DocM say, “Can I start off the new server with my diamond gear if I give you 5 bucks.” Fucking Christ! Do you hear yourselves???
What really needs to happen is that clear, precise, definitive rules should be set in place instead of continually amending them.
-White listing should be by skype or email with an interview process which will include the applicant’s skill set and photos or a video of their work and a questionnaire. That way, only people you want to play will be invited instead of anybody that fills out an application. That’s not a fucking white list, that’s just paperwork. This is the exact reason the server got hacked 3 times, twice of which in the same week and that you have people that live in dirt houses.
-18 and over age limit should be enforced so we don’t have to put up with childish behavior or petty arguments like, “My friend I’m sharing a base with built something beside my half of the base so I tore it down.”
-A world border build limit needs to be set in place and not moved until another update comes out so there’s a guarantee of new content.
-Admins shouldn’t be allowed to fly, use god mode, PowerTool mods, Xray, World Edit, respawn player’s gear, augment game mechanics… shall I go on? I can… If you’re going to play on the server, follow the same rules as the rest of the players. Otherwise, you’re just cheating. Additionally, in the case of Tarqquin, don’t world edit spawn and build a useless skyscraper out of diamond and iron that’s an eyesore and serves no fucking purpose at all, other than ruining land development for other people and wasting resources.
-Stop letting people build in spawn any god damn place they feel like. I did my best to keep the place organized after the plague of rectangular buildings started popping up everywhere under the square sun. Next day I log on, and there’s a new fucking building sitting right where a street needs to go. Perhaps try planning??? Maybe, discuss things with one another? You’re all barking about wanting a prettier spawn, but I guarantee the EXACT same problems will happen again. People will build whatever and where ever they want and not give one shit about how it affects the rest of the area. That’s why you have one street with buildings butted up against one another, and another street without shit on it. Because no one wanted to work together. They wanted to do their own thing and said, “Fuck the rest.” I was the only person attempting to make the place look better. I did the landscaping, tore down mountains, cut trees, filled holes, built walls and the rest of you said, “Hey, here’s an empty spot that someone already cleared for me.” WTF. Common decency is lacking on this server. Hence why there’s someone’s base on the front steps of Solar’s cathedral. Because someone else said, “I don’t care, I’m going to do what I want.”
-DEMAND players keep up with forum posts so they can keep up to date with the upcoming builds and events so that way they actually act like fellow players instead of living in their own little single player world. IF you don’t want to participate on the server with everyone else, you shouldn’t be allowed to play on it. MindCrack is the most viewed server on youtube for a damned good reason. Because, the people playing on that server work together. They have weekly meetings, they call one another, they write forum posts, they plan ahead, they actually want to play with one another. THAT’s why it works. Because they conduct themselves as professionals and respect one another enough to find out what everyone else is doing so they don’t foul things up for anyone else.
I quit this server because I’m frankly tired of the bullshit. Yes, it’s a friendly server and a majority of the people are great, but it also seems like we’ve been running through a mine field at night with no flashlight. I spent hours to find the perfect spot for my base far away from others in the perfect esthetic location, just to have it world edited away without my permission and everything in the chests deleted. I couldn’t even teleport to my res because the world border had moved… again. Do I get reimbursed in anyway for my items, time spent, money lost? No. I go to my new project and someone has taken up building there AND I can’t even remove the fucking door because someone put a res on it. I had my spawn building permissions taken away, even though I’m the one who built the majority of it with my own supplies without even a “Thanks”. I can’t even fix the things I personally built at spawn that were destroyed or damaged. I was the guinea pig for the donator status long before it was even installed, just to be taken off of the whitelist for the vanilla server (which is what I actually wanted to play on in the first place). The fucking mods are god damn retarded and even when people bitch about them, they don’t get removed. So, yeah, I’m a bit bitter. I felt slapped in the fucking face to be honest.
So, bitch and moan all you want about losing your stuff or your base when/if a new world gets put into action. I frankly don’t give a shit what you think anymore. Fact is, most of you can’t keep up with me anyhow. I’m fucking awesome. I’m one of the fastest, best builders this server has or will ever see. We’re not even in the same league. I can out PvP damn near every one of you. I don’t need to rely on plug-ins or mods to protect me. I’m vigilant, hard working, smart and talented. Whatever you build, I can rebuild faster, and more than likely make it look better. I’ve only spent 3 weeks on a new whitelisted PvP Vanilla Server and I’ve already built a base in the sky, an iron golem farm, 4 mob grinders, set up villager trading, found 5 mineshafts, 2 strongholds, a nether fortress, 7 spawners, built 6 buildings, a post office, I have maxed out weapons, tools, armor, built a lake by hand, terraformed an entire biome and planning on soloing the end dragon this upcoming week. All of this without the aid of any mods, plug-ins or teleports. I even had spare time to prank 3 people.
In the real world, if you lose your wallet, you don’t teleport to the DMV to get a free license and them give you your money and credit card back. You start over from scratch. You walk into the library and get yourself a new library card. In the real world, if your house burns down, you don’t get to world edit a new one back in its’ spot. If you move to another state, you don’t magically cut and paste your old home somewhere else.
Learn how to play the game or take up solitaire. Or do you want someone to provide and shuffle the deck for you too?
Stop being cowards.
#rookiesJanuary 24, 2014 at 11:31 pm #1731
Kimosabe, you may shoot many words, but you still miss the point.
Bane, solarlynx and I don’t want to move our ‘old’ builds over to a new server – we merely want to be able to continue our current builds from one Minecraft version to the next. It would be a travesty if there was no place for ambitious builds like solar’s cathedral on the server. If you had your way, solar would have lost her cathedral just as Mojang introduced stained glass into the game. Have you no empathy? Perhaps you could educate yourself on your new server by undertaking similarly epic build of your own. I’m sure it would help you become a good builder. Hopefully your horizons aren’t so narrow that you can’t appreciate such epic endeavours.
You seem to think it unfair to be able to continue your current build in a new world. How is this unfair? Cyn has already stated that any iron, diamond etc blocks will be stripped from such builds. These builds were all built in game, in our own time, using mined resources. An arbitrary server reset does not change that, especially as everyone has the same opportunity to port over their builds. The charge for transferring builds is there to limit the amount of builds ported over, not to line Cyn’s pockets.
To my knowledge, you are the only one to have raised the possibility of paying to transfer items to the updated server.
The rest of your points are not directly relevant to the thread, so I’ll only reply to them briefly:
You berate people for wanting to continue their builds, yet you spend an entire paragraph complaining that you were denied access to a previous build following a server update, despite the advance warnings given to you by Cyn that the world map was to be shrunk. That seems strange.
I’m not aware of any of the server’s players complaining the server is too hard for them – if they’ve survived long enough on a Hard survival server to get weapons, armour and a res’ed base up and running then they’re pretty competent. If there is an issue, it’s that the Hard setting can make starting out on the server difficult. The server really needs to attract more players. Is it such a good idea to make it harder for them to get started than is needed?
I agree about most of your points regarding the rules. However, the whitelist seems to be working ok.
When I joined the server, you were one of the veteran players. I feel it’s a shame you never initiated a project on the forums (like you described). I would have joined in.
You complain about people not playing co-operatively. I’ll admit I need to do a bit more in this regard (although I’m planning to build a windmill at Bane’s). However, your list of achievements on your new server doesn’t mention any other players. Are you sure you’re not the one playing solitaire?
Don’t get me wrong, it’d be great to have you back on the server. However, other people may have different opinions to yours. That’s how it is. They aren’t less valid simply for not being your own. If you do want to positively influence the server, you’d be better off engaging us in a discussion than typing a rabble-rousing rant and running off to another server. If you’d rather play somewhere else then I wish you all the best.
GruffFebruary 24, 2014 at 12:15 am #1786Anonymous
Kimosabe, you may shoot many words, but you still miss the point.
Bane, solarlynx and I don’t want to move our ‘old’ builds over to a new server – we merely want to be able to continue our current builds from one Minecraft version to the next. (how would you propose doing that without converting your builds to the new world? Circular argument. You don’t want to move your old build to a new world, but you want to work on your old build on a new world… ???) It would be a travesty if there was no place for ambitious builds like solar’s cathedral on the server. (Still would be, just start from scratch) If you had your way, solar would have lost her cathedral just as Mojang introduced stained glass into the game. (Yup, that’s what a new world means) Have you no empathy? (Nope, it was an update called “The Update That Changed The World”. I mean, we were told by Mojang they were changing the entire world and there were tons of snapshots and videos beforehand on youtube for several months… She could have waited til after the update to build it after all. No offense to Kim at all, but 1.7 should have been a server reset update. Building something gigantic beforehand wasn’t the best of ideas. ) Perhaps you could educate yourself on your new server by undertaking similarly epic build of your own. (Been there, done that multiple times) I’m sure it would help you become a good builder. (Already am one. You don’t know me well, do you?) Hopefully your horizons aren’t so narrow that you can’t appreciate such epic endeavours (having land world edited for you, resources given to you, building in fly and god mode, and teleporting back to your base for more supplies, eh… not so epic. Big, yes, epic, no. Stacking the blocks is the easy part. Free resources and the ability to fly and build without being harmed is called creative mode, not survival)
You seem to think it unfair to be able to continue your current build in a new world. (Yup) How is this unfair? (Cheating) Cyn has already stated that any iron, diamond etc blocks will be stripped from such builds. These builds were all built in game (a previous game, not the upcoming one), in our own time, using mined resources (from a previous world, not the upcoming one). An arbitrary server reset does not change that, especially as everyone has the same opportunity to port over their builds. (If you pay to cheat, then yes) The charge for transferring builds is there to limit the amount of builds ported over, not to line Cyn’s pockets. (in that case, put a limit on the number, not a dollar amount, so that way everyone can do it without spending money)
To my knowledge, you are the only one to have raised the possibility of paying to transfer items to the updated server. (You’ve not read all the forums where people were asking for that, but then again, the post has been deleted, so I can’t cite an example to back up my point)
The rest of your points are not directly relevant to the thread, so I’ll only reply to them briefly:
You berate people for wanting to continue their builds (yup), yet you spend an entire paragraph complaining that you were denied access to a previous build following a server update, (Yup, but I was actually referring to the fact that I couldn’t build there because Cynix put a residence on my door to a city I was building. That had nothing to do with the update. It was the fact that someone claimed my land from me and stopped me from altering my own build, but did nothing to stop others _Bane_ from building there) despite the advance warnings given to you by Cyn that the world map was to be shrunk. (There is no post stating an advanced date or exact time for the server update posted prior to it happening. It happened over night with no pre-warning what so ever. Citation in Cynix’s November 15th post. There was a discussion about changing the border and it’s size but no time table as to when it would happen or if/when/where he would move us. One day everything’s fine, next day, it’s not. You’ve not read all the forums. Cite the post where it says, “Server Update to occur on “this exact date”. You simply can’t. Don’t you think I would have done something about it had I known it was about to happen??? You think I’m that daft?) That seems strange. (Well, you didn’t have your base removed, your residence and the money spent on it wasted, and everything in your chests taken from you, did you? It didn’t effect you in the least, did it? Had it happened to you, I’m sure you would have said something. But it didn’t, so…)
I’m not aware of any of the server’s players complaining the server is too hard for them (When the server switched from normal to hard) – if they’ve survived long enough on a Hard survival server to get weapons, armour (previous free iron from cynix’s farm doesn’t count) and a res’ed base up and running then they’re pretty competent. (teleports, voting for weather, voting for daylight, “cheating” doesn’t necessarily imply competence) If there is an issue, it’s that the Hard setting can make starting out on the server difficult. (It’s a hard server, what did you expect?) The server really needs to attract more players. (Why? The ones we have don’t play together as it is. Better players, yes, more players, no) Is it such a good idea to make it harder for them to get started than is needed? (Free food at spawn, protected from mobs at spawn, rail cart to travel away from spawn and across the world, Nether portal 50 blocks away from main spawn, no PvP except after a 1000 blocks in one direction, loads of resources nearby, multiple shops, teleports, voting for weather and daytime… can’t get much easier dude. All you gotta worry about is a monster hitting you too hard when you’re not paying attention or the admin hitting you with bolts of lightning)
I agree about most of your points regarding the rules. However, the whitelist seems to be working ok. (negative, it’s still an open door for anyone to destroy the server and to invite less desirable players on. Technically, a new 12 year old player no one knows could make 50 wither bosses and set them loose on the world, just because you wanted to trust a random stranger. Remember, I was the one fighting the server hacker, not you. This is way we have had gay bashers, racists, griefers, shitty dirt house builders and hackers on the server. No one bothered to get to know them first)
When I joined the server, you were one of the veteran players (*brushes shoulders off*). I feel it’s a shame you never initiated a project on the forums (like you described). I would have joined in. (You’ve obviously not read all of my forums. I’ve initiated several projects and asked for volunteers multiple times. The Chat room in the teamspeak for “Builder Discussions” was started because of one of my projects. I even made a Construction Company that was going to hire builders. Yet, no one wants to play together.)
You complain about people not playing co-operatively. (yup) I’ll admit I need to do a bit more in this regard (although I’m planning to build a windmill at Bane’s). However, your list of achievements on your new server doesn’t mention any other players. (I’ve changed) Are you sure you’re not the one playing solitaire? (I was the only one dedicated enough to do those things. While they were busy rebuilding their same roof on their house for the 17th time, I was terraforming a biome. I didn’t have them help me because, frankly, they sucked. They weren’t willing to put in the time or effort. I don’t waste my time on aiding others anymore or asking for aid. If I want something done, I solo it now. People are generally unreliable and lazy. I’ve learned my lesson about building a shit ton of things for other people _BananaSmores_using my own time and resources just to have others say, “I would have done that different,” yet they didn’t lift a finger to help. I’m self sufficient now, I look out for me and me alone. So thanks, you’ve created this monster)
Don’t get me wrong, it’d be great to have you back on the server (Why? So I can build everyone else’s shit again and receive no respect or compensation for it?) However, other people may have different opinions to yours. (Most agree though) That’s how it is. They aren’t less valid simply for not being your own. If you do want to positively influence the server, you’d be better off engaging us in a discussion (what? On the teamspeak no one used? Or the 30 forum posts no one read? I could have spammed the in game chat I suppose and talked to the 2 people online and then repeated myself over and over again when a new player logged on) than typing a rabble-rousing rant and running off to another server. If you’d rather play somewhere else then I wish you all the best.
I didn’t want a server reset, I wanted a new world reset. Something with every single biome where they integrate with each other instead of snow meeting desert. I didn’t want the same world patch-worked together. I wanted all of us to start fresh, with a level playing field and work together to create something new. A place where we could toss out our past mistakes and rise like a phoenix in a new world. I additionally wanted less plug-ins to make it less easy and a stricter white list with a closer knit group of players rather than a horde of random strangers that don’t interact. I don’t want to play on a bukkit server, so I’m not. It’s that simple. You do. So play on it. I wanted to play on a vanilla server. BananaSmores is not one. I stayed as long as I did because of my friendship with Cynix, but apparently he and I don’t see eye to eye with the evolution of where the server is going and have since had a falling out I suppose, which is truly the saddest part of it all to me. It seems like our friendship has died over some fucking pixels. Instead of me hanging around and getting more and more pissed off at things seeming so chaotic (the irony of my name, lol) and becoming toxic, I bowed out. I’ve had offers to join the VanillaSmores server, but I was already on it in the beginning and was unwhitelisted because I didn’t want to pay for the game. I thought with my countless hours of building and service to BananaSmores and my dedication to it’s development I should be allowed to play on it for free. Perhaps that was a bit conceded of me, but I thought I had earned it, and still do. I wanted to build a spawn for everyone on it. A nice, clean, efficient, good looking place where all the buildings corresponded to one another and roads were laid out properly, every thing lit up nice, farms, gardens, villager trading, iron farm, the whole works. All the problems we’ve had on Banana, I wanted to fix on Vanilla. Again, for the like 20th time, I was providing my time, effort, creativity, resources and support for the betterment of all of you. Completely selfless, yet again. My reward? Blacklisted from it. I guess that was my final straw. The one thing I wanted the most from the very start when I found BananaSmores, taken away from me. I’m a survival builder, I don’t want to play on a bukkit server. I require structure and planning as opposed to guess work. I want to play with people that actually have like minded goals. I’d rather challenge myself than to make things easier for myself. I’d rather fight monsters at night in the rain with my wooden sword and risk dying than to type /vote day. I’d rather ride a horse through the nether risking ghasts and pit falls and lava to get to my friend’s base than to type /tpaccept. I’d rather lose my gear fighting a zombie horde than to type /back and getting it back in temporary god mode. I’d rather dig the dirt and break 10 diamond shovels than to have someone disappear 10,000 blocks with 2 hits of a wooden axe. I’m just a different player than most of you. I want the challenge. Nothing I do is of value if I don’t challenge myself to do it. If it comes too easy, it’s not worth it. Some of you think the server isn’t easy at all, but I do. Many do. Many aren’t happy. It’s not perfect, but it’s still a home. That’s why they stay. The fellowship. The ease. The safety. Most people aren’t like me. They don’t want to do a lot of fighting, or exploring, or caving, or building. Some are content with building on their same base for months on end and never finishing it. Some want nothing more than to be farmers. Some just want to play with redstone. I on the other hand want it all. I don’t want to be good at everything, I want to excel at everything. I want to earn everything I accomplish without cheating myself.
We’re just cut from a different cloth. So, I won’t be coming back to a bukkit server. I’m a builder. I play on hard mode. I build 200 blocks in the sky without a safety net. I take on endermen with no hesitation. I laugh at zombie hordes and eat their flesh to scare them. I don’t fear creepers destroying my home, because I know I can rebuild anything. I’m meant for survival. It’s what my pickaxe was destined for. I’ve just got to do what’s right for me. As always, watch your backs for creepers and keep stacking blocks.
Player of GamesFebruary 24, 2014 at 8:20 pm #1818
I honestly don’t know what to say.
Chaos you have thrown around a bunch of accusations that are not true.
I don’t want to keep this pissing contest going.
I am sorry you feel like this about our group. But there is no reason to keep flaunting your ability and insulting ours when you don’t like what we try to do and when you have found another group to make you happy.
If you would like to talk I would be happy to offer a rebuttal on many things but the last few times that I have posted in response to you, it has been ignored.
If you ever would like to have a normal discussion please feel free to get a hold of me. If not I truly wish you the best on your new vanilla server and hope that you find your own Mindcrack group as we move on with our lives.
As for this thread it looks like it has deviated from the intended discussion. However the world reset is looking likely.
February 25, 2014 at 10:38 pm #1821Anonymous
- This reply was modified 8 years, 7 months ago by cYnIx.
This is my formal surrender. Since the day I started playing on BananaSmores I set out to better the server, and although many will find me conceded, just look around. I did more for the server then I did for myself. I most likely lived in the smallest base on the server. My home was 3 blocks underground and pretty much consisted of very little more than a 4 wide x 3 tall x 5 long vault room and an enchantment area. 9 times out of 10 my time was dedicated to working on the server instead of working on personal projects. I put in an incredible amount of hours towards the server.
Over time, Cynix and myself were discussing future plans for the server’s evolution in private (ie. a mini game server, spawn building concepts, plug-ins) and I suggested that the 2 of us start checking out other people’s servers in our spare time for ideas and suggestions. Once I started doing this, I realized there are tons of servers out there that really have their act together in a way that I had been ignorant to for a very long time. I was amazed at the structure and co-op between the admins and moderators and how their build teams could construct such well planned city layouts that seem incredibly complex. I saw just how easy it was to do things in a different way than I had been accustomed to and how well it was working for them. I enjoyed this exploration phase, because like I said, I was newer to minecraft and had dedicated most of my time in the game to only one server. I discovered the Hunger Games (survival games), the hypixel server (amazing build team), learned more about mods and plug-ins,
talked with owners on how they became successful. All sorts of new things I had never known before.
The Update That Changed The World.
We all wanted to play the new update and gain access to the new biomes, but there wasn’t a bukkit version of it yet. Banana players were begging Cynix to convert, but there was nothing he could do, there was no bukkit after all. 1.7 was such a major game changing update that there were numerous problems that sprouted up from it from the long wait to update the server, to the world size, to moving the world border, moving people’s residences, making biomes mesh together properly, unloading chunks that people had traveled through but never built in. 1.7 caused madness across the minecraft community, not just on BananaSmores.
I continue my research and notice that almost every server online is revamping there servers to 1.7. almost over night for vanilla gameplay and again when the bukkit was finally released. If you take a look online at the MC server lists, among others, you’ll notice nearly 90% of the servers out there deleted their 1.6 worlds and started fresh with 1.7. Nearly all the starting dates on the lists are within a few months. Even large well-established servers, such as hypixel, started over on a new world. Hypixel even tossed out their amazingly beautiful spawn which must have taken several people several weeks to build, in favor of new content. The majority had spoken, and their voice was resounding, “WE WANT NEW CONTENT!”
And, then I find myself on BananaSmores, witnessing the exact opposite. For weeks before I had started getting irritated with people. I had worked my butt off for a few months trying to work on things at spawn and it seemed like there was no communication with anyone as to how/where/what was to be built. We had a spike in new players suddenly and it seemed there was no guidance or regard to future plans from veteran players. Shops were being placed where I had planned roads or where I had planned on building my own shops. Shops were opening up across the street from identical shops. I had built a place to enchant and then suddenly, there’s another place to enchant 50 blocks away. You could literally see it from the other place. Others started building their own roads and none of them matched. Crazy walls jump across streets and over sidewalks. I grew really upset. I had spent more time than anyone on the server working on that area and now suddenly someone took over my projects. It rubbed me wrong and I began to change my attitude. I realize it wasn’t the best looking spawn in the world, but you have to keep in mind, I joined the server several weeks after it had started. Homes and shops were already built scattered about in strange areas, so I had to work with what I had and try to fit it together. And seeing as I was the only one at the time really doing it, it was quite time consuming, so progress was slow. But having someone else just hop on with no regard to your own work and changing things… well, I guess it would be like if you put a residence on your base and someone came behind you and started changing everything even though you thought there was no way they could… except on a much larger scale. Things I had built were getting messed up by new builders with spawn permissions. None of it was getting fixed, no apologies were being given. It’s like no one cared what I thought was going on, even though it directly effected me and my work. I decided to take a break from the game for a bit. I was getting too heated and taking things too seriously, but that typically happens when you’ve invested so much time into something you care about.
When I came back, 1.7 bukkit finally had came through and I personally was VERY upset with how it was handled. I could cite 100 reasons, but firstly, it’ll just make me relive it and get me angry, second, it’ll waste even more time, and third, it’ll start arguments. Suffice it to say, I was not happy. I felt like my opinions weren’t being heard. I felt like my time had been unappreciated. I felt like no one would listen to reason. Skampp, knowing how close Cynix and I were at the time, would ask, “Did you two have fun? What did you guys do last night?” It got to the point that all I could say was, “We argued about stupid pathetically irrelevant shit the whole time. It sucked. He wants to do one thing, I want to do something else and all we’re doing is butting heads over it. He’s too damned stubborn and won’t admit he’s wrong, but he probably thinks the same of me, so it’s getting us nowhere.” My base had been moved, residence stripped, items in chests gone, spawn permissions taken, extra home privileges removed, Vanilla and Creative world accesses taken away, horse deleted, dogs dead. I went to my only personal project on the server and another person had put a residence on the door. Someone else had taken up building on the land. I was furious. At first I thought Cynix had done these things intentionally to me because we were arguing at the time, some of which he probably did do on purpose, I mean, I did use my spawn privileges to burn someone with lava once, but then again, he and I both did things like that to people for fun.
I got so upset, I flat out quit the server and swore never to return, but since then I’ve realized he didn’t do all of those things to me on purpose. He did them because he didn’t know better. I had been begging in favor of a world reset, but he wanted to keep everything as it was and jigsaw chunks on the map and patchwork things together. People put pressure on him. They wanted new content, but weren’t willing to lose what they had done, and he did what he felt was right at the time to do that. I am still in the opinion that this was a wrong decision. There needed to be a world reset for 1.7 and many problems wouldn’t have happened. Personally I would have rather had a 1.7 reset to get all of these new biomes to discover in a new world, rather then to reset the world just to gain 4 new blocks in 1.8. It’s like saying you would rather have a handful of new igneous rocks over amazing game changing content. To me, it still doesn’t make sense why a reset didn’t happen earlier.
I quit the server and began to think of all the things that were making my blood boil. I tried every possible way I could to point out flaws in the server rules and whitelisting and how we can improve the server for the better, but it seems like my rational suggestions are being pushed aside, which in turn just made me more angry. Polite talk turned to debate and then to arguments. It seemed several times that when I tried to point out obviously problems with the server, all anyone wanted to do was tell me how wrong I am. Dear reader, pardon my boasting, but I graduated 13th in my class, I have a 152 IQ, I took honor’s courses my whole life, I’m college educated… I’m not a dim witted person. I have the ability to come up with logical reasoning to deduce problems and then solve them, I assure you. So, when I say things like, “Your white list is a problem,” and you swear up and down that it’s not, it drives me fucking ape shit! What I want to do in that circumstance is make 10 stacks of TNT and just make a giant crater beside spawn, just to prove to you that can’t trust people in this world. I’ve suggested many ways of reducing the threat of new players harming the server, but again, no one wants to admit when they are wrong it seems. No, I don’t think I’m always right. The difference here is that, I’m willing to put aside my personal interests in things and see the bigger picture and what’s best for everyone.
I love how everyone shows Cynix so much support, but there are times when it’s okay to disagree with him. He needs that. He needs to hear other people’s opinions as to what’s best for everyone. He needs options. Don’t tell him, “I want a new updated world, but I don’t want to lose the old one.” You can’t have it both ways guys. Accept that what you’ve built in the past must die in order to make way for a future. This is an adult server, be adults about it. Don’t be selfish.
Yes, it sucks a beautiful cathedral will be lost in the process, but it has to be done. Yes, your inventory you’ve worked so hard for will be no more, but it has to be done. Yes, you will have to start over from scratch. Yes, you will likely die a lot in the beginning after the reset. Yes, it will suck for a while. But it has to be done. It has to. It sucks. But it has to. It’s for the betterment of all that you sacrifice these things. It’s evolution. Those that can’t evolve, die out. Don’t be stagnant. Seize this moment as an opportunity to test yourself and become something even better. Don’t be negative about it. See the good in it. It has to be done…
Your plug-ins are scaring people away. Yes, many many many people on the server love some of them. People you trust and enjoy playing with like them. Many many many others do not. A majority of the minecraft community worldwide want simplicity. More plug-ins lead to more complications. You can’t deny this. It’s not speculation, it’s fact. The more you complicate something, the easier it is to screw up. If you want this many plug-ins, there needs to be a tutorial on how each one of them works to educate people. Many people still can’t figure out how to expand a residence. Not to start one, to expand it, or change your residence rules (ie. mob spawning, fire spread). It’s overwhelming to some, especially new players. Several people (myself included) have lost their perfect villagers in the past due to minecart death. We had no idea that was even possible, nor was it publicized at the time.
I could go on for hours about ways we could fix things, but I sadly feel it would be a waste of my time if we can’t agree that these things and others are serious problems. To continue on in this same fashion and assume everything is perfect when it’s not, is just sheer folly. I’m not trying to start an argument, I’m just stating that unless we can admit errors have occurred, they will never be corrected and will more than likely continue on even after a world reset. I was, and still am willing to help fix these problems. I guarantee you that the benefits would be immediate and you would see rapid growth on the server, but I’ll not beg. If you want the help, my door will always be open for you. But, that being said, this will likely be my last post regarding the bukkit server in its current state.
I’ve had a lot of great times in the past and really wish this outcome had been much different, but I firmly believe that there is a better way to do things and some of the other players’ pride on the server is getting in the way. I truly wish you all the best in your future endeavors. Sincerely, I mean it. I’d like to leave you with one last bit of critical advice. If you want a good looking spawn next go around, start planning now. Don’t wait. Don’t let everyone just run a muck and do whatever the hell they want. Get a solid build team together NOW and start putting serious work on concepts BEFORE the reset. Otherwise, history will repeat itself once more, I assure you. Designate teams, one for destroying land, one for terraforming, one for harvesting resources, one for building, one for landscaping, one for interiors. Find people’s strong suits and pair them with people that will work well together and that they can teach. WORK TOGETHER THIS TIME.
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February 26, 2014 at 3:11 pm #1823Anonymous
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I find this strange as we were working on spawn ideas a few WEEKS back now. I believe more happens on the server in real-time chat than what the forums here show. So that invalidates a lot of what was said above…in fact that also means you are judging based on a time capsule of when you were actively involved on the server–which has been a few months now.
It looks like you know what you want to do and have your own ideas which is always a good thing, I wish you the best in your future endeavors and look forward to not being stereotyped into whatever you believe is reality–the reality you’ve created in your mind. I don’t think you know much about the newer players that have joined in your server absence, but I will say that you don’t speak for us so please stop stereotyping us.
I understand you are bitter, and quite honestly anything you say anymore is going to be confrontational–I believe you have burnt all the bridges so Achievement: The End is a proper burial. Peace Bro…February 26, 2014 at 10:19 pm #1828
I have not spoken out about the world reset yet, because like many I was hurt at the thought of loosing my work. This is my first game that I’ve spent more than a few weeks playing, and the other games I never got the hang of. I have never been much of a gamer until minecraft and then I fell in love. As I began to build I was also learning basic game play. I knew very little about such things like updates and didn’t even know one was planned or that stained glass was coming until very far in my cathedral build. So this being said I was devastated at the possible loss and remained quiet. I didn’t vote until the possibility of moving my build was mentioned and I have voted for the restart and I am now excited about it.
However I have recently, very recently, been playing with the idea of rebuilding my cathedral from scratch in the new world without altering the design. Thank god for graph paper blue prints! I have built it once before, in survival, with no spawned blocks, everything was mined; and I can do it again. I can also do it without fly this time. However, my playing style is slow and ponderous, and I can get on rarely due to having a demanding school schedule, work, fraternity commitments, volunteer work, etc. that must come first for me to realize my real life potential. I think this is okay, and hope and am confident that others will be patient with me, as this server caters to a wide range of game play. This server is a place to unwind after a long day with other creative gamers. And with this in mind I am confident that a reset with new opportunities and the option to save hard work is a great way to move forward. I believe that our current members and their variety of abilities will see us to our own form of greatness and our diversity should be celebrated.
This being said, please be patient with Cynix as he waits for the bukkit 1.8 update and smooths out bugs on the server. Coding is not easy, at least my 4.0 brain has a hard time with it, and he has a job to which he is always on call. Feel free to air concerns and bring up topics of discussion, the server staff will address it as soon as possible. And lets continue to keep the server civil and productive. I love this server, not just because I am financially tied to it, but because of the people and the creativity.
I look forward to playing with you all soon.
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